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The Coming of the Second Great Depression?

Published 11/19/08 Craig Harrington - Print Article
E-mail - editor@economyincisis.org

It is blatantly obvious that the United States economy is suffering from a severe recession, and most Americans believe things will only get worse from here. What should we expect for the future? We may well find ourselves in a full-blown depression by 2011, according to MarketWatch.

We now seem primed for an economy of boom and bust far beyond what is normally associated with natural economic principles. America has all the ingredients necessary for creating a depression, the recipe is set and the buns are in the oven. The only questions that remain are 1.) when will the fall come and, 2.) how bad can things get?

The first sign of the times was the “dot.com bubble” in 2001. The stock market never really recovered from the collapse of so many companies and their trumped up paper values. The second harbinger was the housing decline and subsequent subprime meltdown. The economy had been artificially inflating home values in the same fashion that it inflated the value of internet-based companies. The rapid collapse has been precisely the same. As homes lost value, mortgage holders lost profits and in their shortsighted mad-dash for revenue they increased mortgage rates and revealed the hidden subprime lending crisis.

Our recent history shows an economy built for extravagant boom and bust cycles. The government is supposed to intervene to lessen the effects of each cycle and maintain sound economic fundamentals. Instead the government seems to just interfere enough to exacerbate the good and bad inherent in the system.

Ben Bernanke, the world’s foremost expert on the Great Depression, should have seen this coming. He, like the rest of those in government, was blinded by the money available to people in his position and balked at the notion of regulating trade.

When Henry Paulson first came into office he made many statements, public and private, regarding the problem presented by our unfettered derivatives and commercial paper markets. After a year or so as a Washington insider he changed his tune and stopped clamoring for change.

Now that the collapse is upon us everyone in the government wants to tell the people that they can handle this challenge, yet they all should have seen it coming in the first place and avoided it. There is a laundry list of reasons why this economy is in trouble, but no reason is more paramount than the complete lack of leadership at the top. People like Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul are ignored because of their somewhat odd behavior and seemingly extreme policy preferences. But if the policy is sound why does it matter if it is extreme? Why are we not all on the side of extreme policies if those policies are good and helpful?

Former Goldman Sachs chairman John Whitehead believes that this lack of leadership and sound policy will eventually lead rating agencies like Moody’s and Standard & Poor’s to downgrade the United States Treasury from its status as a AAA borrower. Our country currently operates on foreign loans because our government constantly spends beyond its budget. With a lower credit rating, the government would find it more difficult to procure loans and eventually may be frozen out (just as “subprime” borrowers are today) of its needed credit lines. When that happens, the end will have officially arrived and the United States will without a doubt be in a depression. The question is no longer whether or not this is possible, the question is when this possibility will materialize.

Source MarketWatch:

Yes, they knew. And still both Paulson, a Wall Street insider, and Greenspan's successor, Ben Bernanke, a Princeton scholar of the Great Depression, stayed trapped in denial and kept happy-talking the public for months after the meltdown began in mid-2007. Get it? While they could have put the brakes on this meltdown years ago, our leaders were prisoners of their distorted, inflexible views of conservative Reaganomics ideology.

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Every day there is more breaking news, proof Wall Street's greed is already back to "business as usual" and in denial, grabbing more and more from the new "Bailouts-R-Us" bonanza of free taxpayer cash and credits, like two-year-olds in a toy store at Christmas -- anything to boost earnings, profits and stock prices, and keep those bonuses and salaries flowing, anything to blow a new bubble.

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Will the next meltdown, the third of the 21st Century, trigger a second Great Depression? Or will the 2007-08 crisis simply morph into a painful extension of today's mess to 2011 and beyond, with no new bull market, no economic recovery as our new president hopes?

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guest says "Good News" on 07/02/09
U.S. Factory Orders Jump In May
Commerce Department said orders rose 1.2 percent, largest amount in nearly a year.


I have posted here before that factory orders will go up in the 3rd quarter due to "be ready" for the holiday season. Then it will stay even for the forth quarter. If Christmas sales are below expectations...then more lay offs in the first quarter.

As to what may happen in the 4th quarter, I think it will be close to the sales of 2008, but my expectation is for a 1.8% rise due to the massive money pumped in by the feds against jobs loss during 2009.

guest says "Yes we are" on 02/17/09
Yes, we are screwed! Obama has hinted for another stimulus plan and the Federal Budget is coming next week too. Like the end times of Roman Civilization, we have just enough fools in strategically located positions that, there is no way out without re-educating these fools.

The reason Bernanke did not see the depression coming is because, we have too much data to make sense and the federal government is about 6 to 7 years behind in Information Technology. Six years is an eternity in the data management world.

guest says "depression" on 02/17/09
guys i believe we are screwed.

guest says "D0N'T GIVE UP" on 02/12/09
When things get tough
You got to get a little more tougher
When things get rough
You got to get a little more rougher
When things get harder
You got to get a little more smarter
You got to do what you got to do to make it through

Otis Houston Jr.
aka Black Cherokee

guest says "Republicans step up criticism of Obama" on 01/26/09
Saw on the news: Republicans step up criticism of Obama

Just a comment:
McCain is clueless about Economy. Our downward spiral is accelerating.

Caterpillar to Cut 20000 Jobs as 2009
Sprint job cuts to total 8000
Home Depot cutting 7000 jobs

and more to come.

guest says "Exponential mathematics" on 01/26/09
Caterpillar to Cut 20,000 Jobs as 2009 Profit Slumps

Perhaps, their Sales/Marketing Team did not understand the rate of change of the global economy and thought it is only the government's problem?

If that is so, we are in serious trouble...spiraling down...

guest says "Guest Comment" on 01/26/09
...technically we (the U.S.) is only a few months away from a depression.

The problem is our politicians, being non-technical people and hiring their staff the same way, have difficulty understanding the exponential nature of mathematics. And now they are bickering to vote on the important issues.After all, they see their salary has not changed, food is on the table and surrounded by rich people.

guest says "Depression is almost here!" on 01/25/09
I was just listening to Bob Chapman on GCN radio, he of the "International Forecaster" and he says technically we (the U.S.) is only a few months away from a depression. Almost a year ago he said it would be about "2 years" before we went into a depression. He has revised his estimate based upon all that has transpired since mid September of 2008. I have been reading his articles for years and listening to him on radio and generally he is correct about 80-85% of the time. Faith without works is dead. God help us in the coming months.

guest says "This mess is permanent" on 01/25/09
The recession/depression model thinking is wrong. We are suffering a permanent reduction in the American standard of living. The debt-based artificial props have collapsed, and Americans must face the truth that our actual standard of living must be in balance with how much we produce, not how much we can borrow. We don't produce enough to keep 300 million people living the good life. A post-industrial America cannot recover from this crash because we have nothing to recover with. Our future as a giant third-world banana republic is inescapable if we cannot restore the old virtues of saving, capital investment, hard work, and genuine productivity.

guest says "The Coming of the thr second Great Great Depression?" on 01/25/09
"Our recent history shows an economy built for extravagant boom and bust cycles. The government is supposed to intervene to lessen the effects of each cycle and maintain sound economic fundamentals. Instead the government seems to just interfere enough to exacerbate the good and bad inherent in the system."
The government has been a key player in producing these boom and bust cycles. The Fed, lead by Mr. Greenspan kept interest rates very low for too long, encouraging the housing bubble. Now Mr. Bernanke is attempting to reinflate the burst housing bubble. A stable housing market requires houses to be affordably priced at 2.5x to 3.0x annual income (median). The Community Reinvestment Act encouraged risky subprime mortgages to be given to persons unable to repay. Henry Paulson, while working for Bear Stearns successfully lobbied to have leverage ratios increased to an insane level among investment banks, then many imploded in 2008. I can go on and on. Whenever the government intervenes to fix a problem it caused, it only makes matters worse. Are you beginning to get see the big picture yet?

guest says "Learn from another " on 01/08/09
I think America could learn from japan they have earht quakes every few minutes and they have adapted physically, emotionally and economically.

guest says "sign of the times" on 01/01/09
Lovers of the world beware the time is at hand put away greed put away hate put away pride you have no real answers look to god of heaven and pray to Jesus Christ his son who died for us that is the only thing that will save us all

guest says "2nd Great Depression" on 11/21/08
Go to americaslastchance dot com. In that article, that I wrote 4 1/2 years ago, I stated what any spiritually minded Christian could have said: We have lost our way. We have to turn things around.

Well, we haven't turned things around. And now we're in the beginnings of a chastisement. After about 50 million children in the womb slaughtered in the name of "choice"...after pornography and video games filled with sex and violence have become one of our leading (and only) exports to the world...as our greed consumes us to the point that we care more about our stuff than we do other people...when we care so little about the poor that a video series about senseless cruelty to homeless men as entertainment becomes a best-seller (google "bum fights")...we STILL don't get it. Hurricanes, wildfires, economic crises...and we still don't get it. What will it take? Only God knows. And we're about to find out.

guest says "2nd Great Depression?" on 11/21/08
Ah, yeah pass the blame around but will will that solve? The truth is very simple when you take Jesus Christ out of a society of course it is going to collapse! Our society has become pagan and Christ will not be mocked!!! Solution if it is not too late...is to pray and put Christ into the center of our own personal lives. Give Him the place of honor and follow HIS Commandments. So hold on tight...here we go ... M

guest says "It didn't have to be." on 11/21/08
Must we be brought to our knees in order that our eyes may be opened?
For all the blessings that God has bestowed upon this land, we have thrown them back into His face. Are we foolish enough to believe that God is going to tolerate our misuse of His gifts indefinitely?
There is blame enough to go around - from those who lead the way - to those who complacently follow! How often has that been you and me? What was your personal compromise?
There is one sure way to cure the ills (or evils) that plague us: deny your pride, get on bended knee, and ask God to help us get back on the track He so graciously once layed for us.
If one believes success is of his own making, he knows not of the powers that be!

guest says "It was not Reaganomics! " on 11/21/08
The peanut from Plains , Georgia is responsible for the Iranian problem , the subprime lending problem,the ills of the economy , which will be surpassed by Obama. A total meltdown followed by a George McGovern Economic plan setting the family (husband ,wife , children as defined in 1972)at the cost of liviving as an annual stipend to cover all housing , medical ,and educational costs. All earnings above the medium set for all households from the lowest provider to Bill Gates would receive this largess from the resources of the BLESSED lands of the USA ; INCREMENTAL TAXATION ON INCOME AS THE EARNER IS NOT PUNISHED FOR PURSUING HIS HAPPINESS.

guest says "print this and spread the word" on 11/21/08
everyone should click the "Print Article" option and make this into a flyer. I'm going to try to let people know what we're facing is this crisis

guest says "It's Here" on 11/21/08
Yes, it is about a total and complete lack of leadership as well as greed all the way around, right down to the consumer. We are all so tied up together in this economy that it seems no one will remain unscathed in some way. Just how are we going to get out of this mess when our entire economy is built upon promises and gambling and our debt is in the trillions? The last of our manufacturing, the auto industry, is a shambles. We are still tied down in Iraq and war with Iran is a very real possibility. Just how are we going to get out of this? It doesn't seem possible....the days of the US as we have known her are coming to an end and our society will need to break down and rebuilt itself. How many of us have the stomach for that? We have been so very fortunate and haven't known real hardship, except for those who have been hit by tornadoes and hurricanes. We are in deep, deep trouble.

guest says "Fix" on 11/21/08
Let the free-lunch takers and over-borrowing thugs in Detroit fail.

guest says "I agree, it's here already" on 11/20/08
When my 401k hit -15%, I thought it impossible, but... I should ride it out instead of getting out.
Now at -42%, I think "What is the use?"

Luckily I have 15 years in the work force left to recover some of my losses, if I can just keep the job and those spending my money would finally feel some responsiblity for their decisions.

guest says "It's Here" on 11/19/08
I think we are already in a Depression.We are being blinded by the diminishing ups of the market. I feel bad for those who are at retirement age... I see friends and family losing their jobs...increases in crime i.e. robberies etc, and with 2 MILLION ARM mortgages resetting in 2009...it's going to get very ugly.